Missing something

[ECI]

I was wondering why offer all the different sealers? If the polurea is the best most durable. Why not offer just that?
The dry time ,ease of use, temperature range of curing, cutting down of time returning to job, no reapplying maintenance coats and being available in gloss or satin.There are probably more reasons then that? Why not build that cost into your job the difference can't be much after all those factors?
I have used Diamond Shield inside from Golden Look and I am very happy with the whole experience!! Please set me straight as this is my plan unless I am missing something?

[ECI]

I need to add this, In my floor cleaning Biz my customers didn't like the maintenance costs and time spent using wax floor finishes so that is how the high speed burnishing system came to be. That system cut down on materials ,made the floors more durable , kept the floors looking good longer with out the highs and lows and lengthen the time between stripping. I am just saying that I won't be able to sell a job and tell them I will need to come back to clean and re coat as needed after they shell out the cash. I think people want do it, last long time work not something that keeps costing them. ;D

[NS'Creter]

All good points and I agree 150% about only doing the best. I just can't squeeze the extra money out of all of my customers. Some of them plan on selling the property and resealing can be the next guy's problem. The solvent sealers I've used have all been quality products so I don't have an ethical issue.

[ECI]

What are is the difference in price per sq ft for your sealers?
If you don't mind saying! Shipping and product cost= ?

[takenforgranit]

I have used quite a bit of Diamond Sheild and if I were doing my own that is what I would use, however not everyone will pay for it. I use it about 50% of my jobs. It should not be used where there are moisture problems, and I won't ever use it again in an apartment bldg, and it should only be used inside with a quality respirator and good ventilation.

I used 4 gal. thinned with xylene in a closed garage on a hot day without a respirator, I knew there was a problem when I had balance trouble while standing still (no moonshine involved) this is not the fault of the sealer, but carelessness and wanting to get out of that nightnmare job made me do something against better judgement. It took a couple weeks to get over that screw up.

By the way I price my jobs without sealer, which ever one they choose is added at actual cost plus freight. It helps in getting repeat business when they see the advantages of pap. That way if it takes more than estimated there are no problems. Rough broom sometimes takes an awful lot more than you expect.

[ECI]

Thanks ,that is why the forum is so helpful, being able to get many ideas and experiences from everyone. I like that suggestion
it makes sense as there are other surprises that arise from time to time.

[xscash]

i just finished a re-seal of a pool deck. after it was finished i explained to the homeowner that this process should be repeated once a year. but then i mentioned the pap, he was mad when i didn't give him that option first. see, i haven't started using it as of yet. i then explained it was 3 times the price but would last more than 5 or 6 times as long. price didn't matter at that point, just inconvenience. so i will do a pap system in the spring for him. another sale of pap.

[ECI]

takingforgranit could the problem you had mostly come from the fact you cut it with xylene? That stuff is real bad in a closed area
with poor ventilation. Has everyone looked up xylene and see long term exposure does so please wear your proper gloves ,
respirator and face and eye protection. I did not take proper
steps as I did a small demo with a xylene based product on my
sidewalk for a customer to see some flagstone and I paid for it
for a week. You can darn near do anything to your body till you are over 40 then look out cause it will let you know it has had enough ;D

[takenforgranit]

I'm 60 and have a chemical background, and certianly knew better. I was finishing the worst job under the worst conditions that you could imagine, I have a forced air breathing set up and did not take it because I thought I would be in a well ventilated area but had to close the garage doors because wind was blowing debris on the sealer. I just wanted away from those pukes so bad I did not take the time to do what I should have done.

On the other hand 10 more minutes on that site and I might have had to write this from prison after committing pre meditated massive physical violence. If I never see those people again it will be too soon.

[NS'Creter]

Seems like you had a real dandy there "TFG"...that sux. I've had a couple of ones that I will not ever work for again. I've also done stuff against better judgement just to get the Hell outta somewhere. We place concrete now so we can deal with "problems" ... they still haven't found Hoffa.

[ECI]

TFG its funny how we know better but trip our selfs up, I figured
it was a small job and outside but my history is I can't tolerate
solvents well after being exposed for years with all kinds. I paid the price and proved you have to be alert about your actions
at all times. I could understand the P.I.A. customer that 2weeks recoup is better then jail time anytime. How does the fresh air mask system work and what kind do you have? Sounds interesting and safe!

[takenforgranit]

I found it on the web it is "breathe cool by turbine products. It is great except you have a hose to deal with. The great news is that you get cool air over your face and head that is clean and safe. You put the unit 100 ' away in clean air. It will support 2 masks or an HVLP gun. It cost $329. It seems to be equal to outfits costing 1500-2000. It is marketed by the company that makes it. From all I can tell it is a well made high quality piece of eq. that does what it claims to do.

Diamond sheild specifies xylene if thinning is called for. The job I was on had extremely smooth concrete. I was thinning the first coat to aid penetration.

[ECI]

Thanks for the info as I want to be safe when working in this
industry. i will check out this device for sure.